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transblawg weblog on german-english legal translation, no longer from fürth search main menu skip to primary content skip to secondary content home articles links post navigation ← older posts pretzels at the last supper posted on 26 april 2018 by mmarks reply i didn’t realize how long pretzels have been around. see victoria emily jones, praying with pretzels . the salty, twisted treats that we call pretzels have their origin, it is thought, in a seventh-century european monastery—according to lore, either in southern france, northern italy, or germany. allegedly a monk invented them by shaping scraps of leftover bread dough to resemble arms crossed in prayer over the chest. the pretzel’s lenten link, not to mention its popularity as a year-round snack both inside and outside monastic communities, led artists to sometimes paint pretzels into last supper images. illustrations there, one of which i have pinched: st. bartholomew, from the hours of catherine of cleves, in latin, utrecht, the netherlands, ca. 1440. morgan library, new york: pml m.917, fol. 228. http://www.themorgan.org/collection/hours-of-catherine-of-cleves/87# posted in comestibles | leave a reply leytonstone posted on 24 april 2018 by mmarks 4 café de montmartre, leytonstone i should have known that alfred hitchcock was born in leytonstone . however, i went there to see the singing organgrinder at the new market . he can be heard again at 13.00 next saturday, but i am not sure if the market will still be in the church lane car park. posted in london | 4 replies lidl, hornchurch posted on 20 april 2018 by mmarks 2 today would be hitler’s birthday, as my father always used to say – he would have been 116 tomorrow, april 21, which is also the queen’s birthday. so i found myself having to pass time in hornchurch and visited the new lidl. it was so large that it reminded me of a big edeka (aldi in upminster is smaller). unfortunately it could only be built after the elegant towers cinema, later bingo hall, was demolished: here are pictures . there seemed to be more german foods there than i have seen in aldi, but i haven’t been often enough to give a reliable account. leberkäse , the german delicacy containing neither leber nor käse , was sold as bavarian meat loaf. there was also austrian sliced salami, some of which recalled käsekrainer (though commenters may correct me). here, however, is an older picture of speculatius at aldi: and here some more pictures of lidl: posted in comestibles | 2 replies elektro götz closes 31.3.2018 posted on 30 march 2018 by mmarks reply here’s a photo of my downstairs neighbours for many years, dieter and jutta mund, who ran elektro götz in fürth (they don’t actually live there) but have to close on march 31st, which means this saturday will be their last trading day. i took the photo in october 2016 and i’m sorry i will not be able to visit them in their shop again. the kind of shop where if you want a vacuum cleaner bag replacement you will be given full details of the function and price of several manufacturers. no doubt buying online has meant that a shop of that kind can’t make ends meet nowadays. i am surprised they managed so long! many thanks to ralph stenzel for keeping me informed. elektro götz in fürthwiki fürther freiheit posted in fürth | leave a reply german-english legal contracts workshop posted on 19 march 2018 by mmarks reply the iti is offering a workshop on contract translation: dual german/english contracts workshop in milton keynes in may. event details: this workshop – aimed at both established and aspiring legal translators working from german into english and english into german – will boost your knowledge about german and english contracts and improve your translation skills in this field. during the session, you will: discover the difference between english and german legal language and the implications for legal translation have put theory into practice, identified and discussed legal translation problems in specific language direction, based on a short contract learn how to solve terminological problems and improve your legal writing style know how to acquire the necessary linguistic skills and improve your proficiency in this particular field speakers angela sigee and rebecca smith posted in translation | leave a reply translation blogging posted on 17 march 2018 by mmarks reply i think this year i will probably ignore this blog’s birthday (early april, 15?). when i started there were a few translation blogs, although probably no other legal translation blogs. i thought that after i stopped teaching legal translation, i still had a lot of things to say about it. but nowadays i am more likely to post interesting links to twitter. goodness knows how many i am missing. a websearch brings up a lot of posts on ‘best translation blogs’. i am fond of this description of mine : transblawg is dedicated to german-english legal translation. the posts, written by werner patels, are full of humor and entertainment, which makes his blog fun and quite useful at the same time. it offers help and information to translators on a variety of topics and specializations. this should teach me not to be so full of myself. here’s a new legal translation blog: language with a pinch of law . like many, it’s the offshoot of a legal translation firm. it’s run by paula arturo and its languages are us english and spanish (argentina) and portuguese (brazil). there is an active twitter feed too. it goes into us legal usage quite a lot (often quoting ken adams or bryan garner (black’s law dictionary)). there is also apparently a facebook group called legal writing and translation, (‘for those who passionately pursue linguistic excellence’), but i haven’t investigated it. the main emphasis of the blog is probably translating us contracts (common law) into spanish (civil law). nikki graham in her tranix blog (my words for a change) started a translation and interpreting blog survey in january of this year, and she has now published a first post on the results: blogging is not dead . she had 190 responses. one finding was that over 84% of those replying do read blogs (but then why would they fill in a survey about blogging if they didn’t?). the next question: is blogging good for your business? the majority did not think so. i had a problem with that question because i did not create this blog directly to be good for my business, although it might appeal to other translators, and if legal translation is not their special field they might recommend me to their clients. but then again i seem to have enough work. there are a lot of quotes from survey answers. there is to be a second part: in part 2 of the survey results, we’ll look at the reasons why people do and don’t blog. i will be interested in that. when i started this blog, the world of advertising yourself as a translator was very different. from another blog: martin crellin, in false friends, good and bad translation , posts on becoming a german . he writes in german, despite the english title. i was amused to read that one of the places he had to apply to asked for a handwritten c.v. – although he found out later he could have done it on the computer. i remember handwritten cvs! posted in translation , weblogs | leave a reply translating a german judgment – project gutenberg case posted on 11 march 2018 by mmarks 3 here are the two texts i am about to discuss: original german judgment of frankfurt am main regional court english translation of the judgment here is an ipkat post on the case. i apologize in advance if i seem to be nitpicking in the following, since the translation is excellent and reads very well in english, although the latter is not a 100% requirement in legal translation. i assume the translation was commissioned by the cologne law firm wilde beuger solmecke, who represented both project gutenberg and its managing director and ceo dr. gregory newby. a commenter on my earlier post is interested in a discussion of the us english aspects of this translation. i had not thought about that. it is very similar to a british english text. however, i suppose that people might be interested on what strikes me, so i will report on that at the end. the following are just a few remarks out of many that could be made! use of reported speech anyone translating a german judgment into english must make it clear when a statement is direct speech (the words of the court) and when it is indirect speech (the submissions of the parties). this translation does that very well. an example: in the section of the judgment setting out the facts of the case, the words of the parties often have to be summarized, and it must be made clear in german and english that these are what the parties state. p. 7 die beklagten behaupten, dass die beklagte zu 1) keine kenntnis von der nationalität ihrer nutzer habe. tr: the defendants claim that the first defendant has no knowledge of the nationality of its users. no problem here. p. 8 die beklagten seien nicht zum schadensersatz verpflichtet, da sie weder vorsätzlich noch fahrlässig gehandelt hätten. tr. the defendants claim they are not liable for damages as their actions were neither willful nor grossly negligent. here it was necessary to make it clear that this was a party’s statement, and also which party stated it. this may seem elementary, but it is something that inexperienced translators often overlook. it also surprises me that native speakers of german who translate into english (quite common not only in germany but in the usa, where germans may have lived so long that they feel more comfortable with english than with german) do not always realize that this is reported speech: they learnt it from hearing it, rather than from being taught the grammar. there are various ways of indicating reported speech. one possiblity is to write ‘the defendants submitted as follows” and then make it clear typographically that several paragraphs are the defendants’ statements. i don’t myself use ‘allege’ or ‘allegedly’, unlike the translator here, because i find it suggests that there was something suspicious about the statement – here is an example: die handlungen der freiwilligen könnten den beklagten nicht zugerechnet werden. the actions of the volunteers can allegedly not be attributed to the defendants. i would rather know who ‘alleges’ this, although it is probably clear from the rest of the paragraph. translating court names landgericht frankfurt am main district court of frankfurt am main i prefer frankfurt am main regional court (recommended by german authorities). district court: this is unclear – does it mean landgericht or amtsgericht? on page 10 (and elsewhere) reference to a decision by ‚regional court of hamburg‘. germanisms? …hat das landgericht frankfurt am main – 3. zivilkkammer – durch vorsitzenden richter am landgericht dr. kurth,.. … the district court of frankfurt am main – 3rd civil division – through dr. kurth, presiding judge at the district court through? i would say the court is ‚sitting with (judges)‘ or ‚composed of‘… iv von den kosten des rechtsstreits haben die beklagten jeweils die hälfte zu tragen. the defendants shall pay half of the costs of the proceedings respectively. the defendants shall bear half of the costs of the proceedings each. what i would do differently bezug wird genommen reference shall be made me: reference is made es wird festgestellt, dass die beklagten als gesamtschuldner verpflichtet sind, der klägerin schadenersatz zu leisten… the court finds that the defendants, as the joint and several debtors, are obligated to pay damages to the plaintiff me: the court finds that the defendants are liable as joint and several debtors to pay damages to the plaintiff nach §32 zpo pursuant to §32 zpo (german rules of civil procedure) me: under section 32 of the code of civil procedure (zivilprozessordnung) § 97 abs. 1 urhg § 97 sec. 1 urhg me: section 97 (1) copyright act i would not translate rechtsanwälte as attorneys-at-law , but just as attorneys. the former sounds too much like part of the common-law system. i would not use authorized proxy for prozessbevollmächtigte – i would reserve proxy for someone representing another at an agm. maybe attorney of record or counsel . what makes this translation us english? there aren’t many differences from british english here. the usual: obligate (rather than oblige, which is less common in bre than be under a duty) not proven posted in translation | 3 replies translating judgments – project gutenberg blocks german users link 4 following a dispute on copyright between project gutenberg in the usa and s. fischer verlag – german copyright still covers some works by thomas mann, heinrich mann and alfred döblin, but they are in the public domain in the usa – the frankfurt am main regional court (landgericht) has ordered project gutenberg to block access to 18 texts to users in germany, following which project gutenberg has blocked all access to project gutenberg in germany, as chris meadows on teleread reports: project gutenberg blocks german users after court rules in favor of holtzbrinck subsidiary here’s a better summary than mine: court order to block access in germany . this case has been going on for a while and there will presumably be an appeal. incidentally, there is a german projekt gutenberg , run by spiegel online, which is not involved here and which i am sure complies with german copyright law. at all events, the articles quoted give links to the original judgment and the english translation. i don’t think we often see such a good chance to comment on translating judgments (i’ve done much more translating of decisions than of contracts over the years) so in a separate post i will comment on the translation. posted on 5 march 2018 by mmarks | 4 replies draußen nur kaninchen – miscellaneous posted on 4 march 2018 by mmarks 3 1.a thread on twitter had english speakers recount their mistakes speaking german. two of them had understood kännchen kaffee as kaninchen kaffee . another remembered being in a restaurant and saying die reinigung bitte . there was also a request for ein glas leistungswasser – no one mentioned that you would be looked at oddly in germany even if you asked for leitungswasser . there was a request for a crevettenhalter . and someone used to nod to indicate she understood the other speaker even if she could not speak so well; later she replaced the nod by saying ich verstecke . 2. the german american law journal (american edition) reports that a german court recently held that it is ok for tax purposes in germany for invoices to be in electronic form. i still have two clients who want paper invoices rather than pdfs. let’s see if this changes now. invoicing germany – airmail or email a customer had claimed a right of retention based on the alleged insufficiency of an emailed scan of an invoice, arguing that only the original could render the invoice due and payable. the aachen district court disagreed and on january 9, 2018 issued its de­cision under docket number 41 o 44/17, available in german from the north-rhine-west­fa­lia justice portal. the court lists the applicable tax regulations as well as court de­ci­si­ons including a 2017 ruling by the supreme court for tax matters. posted in germanlang | 3 replies can legal translators be replaced by machines? posted on 14 january 2018 by mmarks 8 in recent months at least, it seems that machine translation, based on huge databases of sample translations (neural networks), has massively improved. deepl is one example. professional translators would avoid using this as their translations might be integrated into the system, which would be a breach of their client confidentiality. but i do suspect that any law firm processing a huge pile of exhibits in a foreign language and wondering which pages would be worth translating can have the whole lot rapidly machine-translated, then zoom in on the most relevant bits and have them machine-translated. peter winslow, a legal translator with a penchant for karl kraus, has posted in a beck verlag forum three translations of a sentence, two of which are machine translators and the third by a human translator with to me dubious qualifications: nur eine der nachstehenden Übersetzungen ins deutsche wurde von einem menschlichen Übersetzer angefertigt, die anderen zwei stammen von maschinellen Übersetzungssystemen (vor mindestens sechs monaten). … erkennen sie, welche Übersetzung der menschliche Übersetzer angefertigt hat? der mensch ist deutscher und deutscher muttersprachler. er ist diplom-Übersetzer – sogar für die englische sprache allgemein beeidigt und öffentlich bestellt – und gibt an, mehr als fünf jahre berufserfahrung als freiberuflicher Übersetzer zu haben. presumably most readers of this quiz will be german lawyers, and of course they will ask themselves how to know whether a translator can be relied on. it isn’t easy. someone who has studied translation at a german university will probably have learnt little about legal translation, although you may need to show legal knowledge to be qualified to translate for the courts. it would be better to find a translator with specific legal experience or qualifications, and experience in doing legal translations. but i think one problem is that lawyers specialize, whereas legal translators tend to specialize only in law, not in a narrow area of law. they may have years of experience in a particular area of legal translation, or they may not. i hope most big law firms that do a lot of international work will have inhouse translation teams including trained translators, who will know how to evaluate any software systems used for translation. with smaller firms it is less likely. the sentence taken as an example is “this policy defines the specific server roles required to implement the server program.” this sentence 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